I'd strongly disagree with that synopsis of Kristen Stewart. First, because both she and Robbert have been in movies since Twilight - the information is available on IMDb. Just because she has accepted more roles does not mean Robert Pattinson is being "less successful" and he is penciled in to star in future movies. It's also important to remember that Kristen Stewart has had connections in the media for a long time (her father is Jon Stewart) whereas I don't know Robert Pattinson to have any deeply-run US connections in the media. In other words, there are many factors at play beyond the media attention she received in response to 'cheating.' (Again, likely to have been given roles to play for the media.
Aside from that, as someone who actually likes her from what I've seen in interviews and having to learn to keep my mouth shut the hard way, that many people view her as stupid, vapid, and 'a bad actress' completely ignoring that the role of Bella Swan is exactly all that (for the sole purpose that she is meant to be a character others can project themselves onto.) She gets harassed so badly by paparazzi still she has to have security guards on her all the time and is constantly wearing inappropriate material and making gestures for the sheer hope of making the images un-sellable. Some people interpret bad attention as better than no attention for movie celebrities, but the things I've seen happen while people were stalking and harassing her is absolutely abhorrent. Things Robert Pattinson doesn't deal with and, from what I've heard him say in interviews, he's grateful he doesn't have to deal with them. I've never heard him say once he envies the position Kristen Stewart is in, and have in fact heard him say on occasion things that basically imply he thinks it's unfair.
Of course, even if she had been perfect and never broke character, this likely would have happened to some extent - Daniel Radcliffe noted how much Emma Watson was harassed during, before, and after filming than he or Rupert were, and has made the exact same point being made here. But the fact that they are constantly in the media isn't a sign that they are "doing better" - it is actually a testament to how much more women in the world of celebrities are stalked and harass by people looking for stories. That is not to say men do not deal with these issues, but it happens very differently and from what I've seen is often far less successful.
In the case of Twilight, Robert Pattinson isn't even the "other involved" - he is the person who was being "cheated on" (quoted because again, my understanding is these were largely roles they took on for media during the films.) The "Other Person" was a key person to directing the movies - but people don't stalk, harass, or assault him. And, incidentally, you're right, Robert is a poorer actor than Kristen Stewart (not that I hear people admitting that)... and he's had four movies as a lead to make that clear. And while he has connections now, many people in the USA that are involved in cinema have probably known Kristen Stewart since she was a little girl.
Monica Lewinsky is the one who was made a pariah in the "Clinton sex scandal" - Clinton, jokes aside, is still widely successful, a two-time President elect, and it's often ignored the vast amount of comparative power that he has. In fact, the Monica Lewinsky scandal is often something I hear GOP using as further evidence Hillary Clinton would be a bad President (I wouldn't want to elect her, but it has nothing to do with that so much as how she engages in 'feminism' in a way that throws other women under the bus.)
I'm... Not really sure what you're saying about Elizabeth Taylor (the Vatican isn't the media, even many Roman Catholics don't pay attention to everything that comes out of the Vatican, and media has changed a LOT since the 1930s - in those days personal business was likely to stay personal business, same as people didn't know FDR was in a wheelchair) and Gwyneth Paltrow is highly accomplished, but... She's not, to the best of my knowledge, a household-name actor. I mean, the only role I really know her from is Pepper Potts.
I'm also not sure how personal life can correlate to cheating as a celebrity, because... That's one reason I'd never want to be a celebrity. Far easier to move on with your life and have people forget an issue when it's not publicized and recorded to that extent. But... In my experience, women caught cheating deal with a lot more repercussions than men cheating, if they share social circles. Though I also know it can vary state to state. If women get pregnant before marriage in some states, they can be dismissed from certain positions on 'moral grounds' laws - particularly in professions such as teaching. In such scenarios, repercussions for infidelity have much higher stakes. I've seen such articles make the news, but the same does not happen with men.
But ultimately, we live in a world where potential employers make assumptions and hiring decisions on things like whether someone has a feminine name or not. We live in a world where men like Scalia reach positions such as Supreme Court or are Presidents of prestigious institutions like Harvard and argue that we should work less or our wages should be less or shouldn't be protected or that it should be "up to the state." We live in a society in which products targeting women are often (though not always) less in quantity and/or quality, but charged up to 65% more (e.g. deodorants and razors often fit this bill.)
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Date: 2014-05-13 09:40 pm (UTC)Aside from that, as someone who actually likes her from what I've seen in interviews and having to learn to keep my mouth shut the hard way, that many people view her as stupid, vapid, and 'a bad actress' completely ignoring that the role of Bella Swan is exactly all that (for the sole purpose that she is meant to be a character others can project themselves onto.) She gets harassed so badly by paparazzi still she has to have security guards on her all the time and is constantly wearing inappropriate material and making gestures for the sheer hope of making the images un-sellable. Some people interpret bad attention as better than no attention for movie celebrities, but the things I've seen happen while people were stalking and harassing her is absolutely abhorrent. Things Robert Pattinson doesn't deal with and, from what I've heard him say in interviews, he's grateful he doesn't have to deal with them. I've never heard him say once he envies the position Kristen Stewart is in, and have in fact heard him say on occasion things that basically imply he thinks it's unfair.
Of course, even if she had been perfect and never broke character, this likely would have happened to some extent - Daniel Radcliffe noted how much Emma Watson was harassed during, before, and after filming than he or Rupert were, and has made the exact same point being made here. But the fact that they are constantly in the media isn't a sign that they are "doing better" - it is actually a testament to how much more women in the world of celebrities are stalked and harass by people looking for stories. That is not to say men do not deal with these issues, but it happens very differently and from what I've seen is often far less successful.
In the case of Twilight, Robert Pattinson isn't even the "other involved" - he is the person who was being "cheated on" (quoted because again, my understanding is these were largely roles they took on for media during the films.) The "Other Person" was a key person to directing the movies - but people don't stalk, harass, or assault him. And, incidentally, you're right, Robert is a poorer actor than Kristen Stewart (not that I hear people admitting that)... and he's had four movies as a lead to make that clear. And while he has connections now, many people in the USA that are involved in cinema have probably known Kristen Stewart since she was a little girl.
Monica Lewinsky is the one who was made a pariah in the "Clinton sex scandal" - Clinton, jokes aside, is still widely successful, a two-time President elect, and it's often ignored the vast amount of comparative power that he has. In fact, the Monica Lewinsky scandal is often something I hear GOP using as further evidence Hillary Clinton would be a bad President (I wouldn't want to elect her, but it has nothing to do with that so much as how she engages in 'feminism' in a way that throws other women under the bus.)
I'm... Not really sure what you're saying about Elizabeth Taylor (the Vatican isn't the media, even many Roman Catholics don't pay attention to everything that comes out of the Vatican, and media has changed a LOT since the 1930s - in those days personal business was likely to stay personal business, same as people didn't know FDR was in a wheelchair) and Gwyneth Paltrow is highly accomplished, but... She's not, to the best of my knowledge, a household-name actor. I mean, the only role I really know her from is Pepper Potts.
I'm also not sure how personal life can correlate to cheating as a celebrity, because... That's one reason I'd never want to be a celebrity. Far easier to move on with your life and have people forget an issue when it's not publicized and recorded to that extent. But... In my experience, women caught cheating deal with a lot more repercussions than men cheating, if they share social circles. Though I also know it can vary state to state. If women get pregnant before marriage in some states, they can be dismissed from certain positions on 'moral grounds' laws - particularly in professions such as teaching. In such scenarios, repercussions for infidelity have much higher stakes. I've seen such articles make the news, but the same does not happen with men.
But ultimately, we live in a world where potential employers make assumptions and hiring decisions on things like whether someone has a feminine name or not. We live in a world where men like Scalia reach positions such as Supreme Court or are Presidents of prestigious institutions like Harvard and argue that we should work less or our wages should be less or shouldn't be protected or that it should be "up to the state." We live in a society in which products targeting women are often (though not always) less in quantity and/or quality, but charged up to 65% more (e.g. deodorants and razors often fit this bill.)
Not that violence is justified for these reasons, but the thing is, more often than not, these things tend to target women in ways that hurt them. I think Beyoncé would be more likely to get away with cheating than some (particularly: if she has a larger fan-base than Jay-Z, which I don't know) but that between her sister and Jay-Z's career, I would be surprised if his was the one that came out more tarnished, or more followed by media attention.